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		<title>By: Joen</title>
		<link>http://noscope.com/journal/2008/08/ditching-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-95637</link>
		<dc:creator>Joen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel,


&lt;blockquote&gt;pretty much everything you can do in Firefox you can do in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;with a bit of extra effort through extra css and javascript hacks for transparency.
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&quot;pretty much&quot; and &quot;extra effort&quot; are the key words here. 


Yes, pretty much (but certainly not everything) can be made to work in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6, &lt;/span&gt;if we account for 99% of all the webpages out there.


But what about fancy &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;CSS2 &lt;/span&gt;and &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;CSS3 &lt;/span&gt;features? Most of those &lt;em&gt;allow&lt;/em&gt; for super advanced features that &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;comes nowhere near.


Also, extra effort -- depending on the web project -- can translate to &lt;em&gt;considerable&lt;/em&gt; extra effort. Not only that, but sometimes the very weight of having to make things work in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;means developers have to sacrifice features.


So I totally disagree with you on that point.


&lt;blockquote&gt;having a website display in it
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel,</p>
<blockquote><p>pretty much everything you can do in Firefox you can do in <span class="caps">IE6 </span>with a bit of extra effort through extra css and javascript hacks for transparency.
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<p>&#8220;pretty much&#8221; and &#8220;extra effort&#8221; are the key words here. </p>
<p>Yes, pretty much (but certainly not everything) can be made to work in <span class="caps">IE6, </span>if we account for 99% of all the webpages out there.</p>
<p>But what about fancy <span class="caps">CSS2 </span>and <span class="caps">CSS3 </span>features? Most of those <em>allow</em> for super advanced features that <span class="caps">IE6 </span>comes nowhere near.</p>
<p>Also, extra effort &#8212; depending on the web project &#8212; can translate to <em>considerable</em> extra effort. Not only that, but sometimes the very weight of having to make things work in <span class="caps">IE6 </span>means developers have to sacrifice features.</p>
<p>So I totally disagree with you on that point.</p>
<blockquote><p>having a website display in it
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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://noscope.com/journal/2008/08/ditching-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-95636</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand entirely your view on not testing in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6&lt;/span&gt; I think it is a bit lazy; pretty much everything you can do in Firefox you can do in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;with a bit of extra effort through extra css and javascript hacks for transparency. Having a website display in it&#039;s pixel perfect form across all the currently used browsers is what all clients want for their websites and is what they pay money for and I think people would be put out if they thought that someone wouldn&#039;t bother making a site look correct in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;just because it was more difficult.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand entirely your view on not testing in <span class="caps">IE6</span> I think it is a bit lazy; pretty much everything you can do in Firefox you can do in <span class="caps">IE6 </span>with a bit of extra effort through extra css and javascript hacks for transparency. Having a website display in it&#8217;s pixel perfect form across all the currently used browsers is what all clients want for their websites and is what they pay money for and I think people would be put out if they thought that someone wouldn&#8217;t bother making a site look correct in <span class="caps">IE6 </span>just because it was more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hollin</title>
		<link>http://noscope.com/journal/2008/08/ditching-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-95635</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one Joen. I must admit that I haven&#039;t tested my websites in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;for some time. In fact, I very rarely test in even the latest version(s) of &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE.&lt;/span&gt; I try to make my websites as standards-compliant as possible, I style with &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;CSS &lt;/span&gt;and I endeavour to avoid fancy tricks where possible. If my sites render badly in IE (but they&#039;re okay in Safari, Opera, Firefox, etc.) then I couldn&#039;t care less, regardless of &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE&#039;&lt;/span&gt;s market share - I&#039;ve done my bit, the rest is down to the browser developers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Joen. I must admit that I haven&#8217;t tested my websites in <span class="caps">IE6 </span>for some time. In fact, I very rarely test in even the latest version(s) of <span class="caps">IE.</span> I try to make my websites as standards-compliant as possible, I style with <span class="caps">CSS </span>and I endeavour to avoid fancy tricks where possible. If my sites render badly in IE (but they&#8217;re okay in Safari, Opera, Firefox, etc.) then I couldn&#8217;t care less, regardless of <span class="caps">IE&#8217;</span>s market share &#8211; I&#8217;ve done my bit, the rest is down to the browser developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Joen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe you should start a club :)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://iedeathmarch.org/&quot;&gt;This guy&lt;/a&gt; already did ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maybe you should start a club :)
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<p><a href="http://iedeathmarch.org/">This guy</a> already did ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bramick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bramick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was impressed by the bold move back when you enacted the no &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;policy.


Maybe you should start a club :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was impressed by the bold move back when you enacted the no <span class="caps">IE6 </span>policy.</p>
<p>Maybe you should start a club :)</p>
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		<title>By: Noscope at IE Death March</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noscope at IE Death March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: duan</title>
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		<dc:creator>duan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You expressed what i felt about internet explorer!

I fell in love with firefox the moment my sister introduced it to me

I like the layout and the tab browsing with over 10 tabs and it doesn&#039;t lag at all.

Best part about firefox is the NoScript firefox extension which block all unknown script which means that it is safe from spywares and adwares

Well download it and im sure you&#039;ll love it
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You expressed what i felt about internet explorer!</p>
<p>I fell in love with firefox the moment my sister introduced it to me</p>
<p>I like the layout and the tab browsing with over 10 tabs and it doesn&#8217;t lag at all.</p>
<p>Best part about firefox is the NoScript firefox extension which block all unknown script which means that it is safe from spywares and adwares</p>
<p>Well download it and im sure you&#8217;ll love it</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://noscope.com/journal/2008/08/ditching-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-95601</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good decision. My feeling is that blocking anyone&#039;s access to a website is a bad idea. I think it sends the wrong message - too similar to sites that used to stop you from viewing them in anything but IE or all of the crummy Flash-based sites nowadays that have no alternative viewing mode.


Oddly, I&#039;m commenting in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE7.&lt;/span&gt; I switched over from Firefox to see what it looked like before realizing that I don&#039;t have access to a single computer with &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6...&lt;/span&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good decision. My feeling is that blocking anyone&#8217;s access to a website is a bad idea. I think it sends the wrong message &#8211; too similar to sites that used to stop you from viewing them in anything but IE or all of the crummy Flash-based sites nowadays that have no alternative viewing mode.</p>
<p>Oddly, I&#8217;m commenting in <span class="caps">IE7.</span> I switched over from Firefox to see what it looked like before realizing that I don&#8217;t have access to a single computer with <span class="caps">IE6&#8230;</span></p>
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		<title>By: Joen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,


I remember you ditching &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;in favor of transparent backgrounds a while ago. I think subconsciusly that must&#039;ve influenced me. Nonetheless I share your joy in not worrying bout &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6.&lt;/span&gt;


Alexander,


&lt;blockquote&gt;Besides, people who are genuinely interested in your website and the topics you write about probably aren
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I remember you ditching <span class="caps">IE6 </span>in favor of transparent backgrounds a while ago. I think subconsciusly that must&#8217;ve influenced me. Nonetheless I share your joy in not worrying bout <span class="caps">IE6.</span></p>
<p>Alexander,</p>
<blockquote><p>Besides, people who are genuinely interested in your website and the topics you write about probably aren
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		<title>By: Dave Child</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Child</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really difficult to get the balance right. If everyone worked hard to ensure everything worked in &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6, &lt;/span&gt;nobody would ever move on. But on the other hand, people are perfectly entitled to use &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;if they want, however bad it is. I&#039;m leaning towards stripping css for &lt;span class=&quot;caps&quot;&gt;IE6 &lt;/span&gt;on my site soon too, but that&#039;ll probably now wait until the next round of design.


Like the nice big logo though. No leaving any room for ambiguity :). Planning to turn it into a poster too?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really difficult to get the balance right. If everyone worked hard to ensure everything worked in <span class="caps">IE6, </span>nobody would ever move on. But on the other hand, people are perfectly entitled to use <span class="caps">IE6 </span>if they want, however bad it is. I&#8217;m leaning towards stripping css for <span class="caps">IE6 </span>on my site soon too, but that&#8217;ll probably now wait until the next round of design.</p>
<p>Like the nice big logo though. No leaving any room for ambiguity :). Planning to turn it into a poster too?</p>
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